作者: BobChen (主前靜默人前宣揚) 看板: LocalChurch
標題: [轉錄]THEOLOGIAN:應該可以吧﹖﹗^^
時間: Thu Mar 28 18:56:36 2002

※ [本文轉錄自 Theology 看板]

作者: OldFish(老漁夫) 看板: Theology
標題: THEOLOGIAN:應該可以吧﹖﹗^^
時間: Thu Mar 29 22:32:19 2001

THEOLOGIAN﹕還是招牌的問題嗎 ^^

我不是已經說過､是“招牌”的問題

CATHY雖然語氣欠嘉､不過她(要小心^^)這段跟您的質問也有關

更何況只據保羅書信來斷定『一地一教會』也證據太薄弱了，那
時其他使徒有無在同一地建立不同傳統的教會，尚是疑問呢！（
現今歷史考證似乎不能否定如此可能！而且可能性還很大哩！）

我再把回她的資料再照樣貼一次 原因是因為態度不同､所以應當
分開對待 ^^

“字典”對“教會”一字的解釋

Easton's Bible Dictionary
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Dictionaries/EastonBibleDictionary/ebd.cgi

All the Christians in a particular city, whether they assembled together
in one place or in several places for religious worship, were an ecclesia.
 Thus all the disciples in Antioch, forming several congregations, were
one church (Acts 13:1); so also we read of the "church of God at Corinth"
(1 Corinthians 1:2), "the church at Jerusalem" (Acts 8:1), "the church of
Ephesus" (Revelation 2:1), etc
.
Baker's Evangelical Dictionaryof Biblical Theology
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Dictionaries/BakersEvangelicalDictionary/bed.cgi

First, predominantly ekklesia [ejkklhsiva] (both in the singular and plural)
applies to a local assembly of those who profess faith in and allegiance
to Christ. Second, ekklesia [ejkklhsiva] designates the universal church
(Acts 8:3; 9:31; 1 Cor 12:28; 15:9; especially in the later Pauline letters,
Eph 1:22-23; Col 1:18). Third, the ekklesia [ejkklhsiva] is God's congregation
(1 Cor 1:2; 2 Cor 1:1; etc.).

“聖經”希臘原意

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number:   1577
Original Word Word ejkklhsiva

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1577&version=

a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place,
an assembly
an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for
the purpose of deliberating
the assembly of the Israelites
any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously in a Christian
sense
an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting
a company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through
Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious
meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed
for the body for order's sake
those who anywhere, in a city, village, constitute such a company and
are united into one body 
the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth
the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven


以上是從“字典+原文義都這麼說”､來證明“一地一會”確實是“
合法”的 ^^


書信的證明

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians
Introductory Notes


The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Philadelphians

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans

The Epistle of Ignatius to Polycarp

Introductory Note to the Syriac Version of the Ignatian Epistles.

The Epistle of Ignatius to Polycarp

The Second Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians

The Third Epistle of the Same St. Ignatius

Introductory Note to the Spurious Epistles of Ignatius.

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Tarsians

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Antiochians

The Epistle of Ignatius to Hero, a Deacon of Antioch

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Philippians

The Epistle of Maria the Proselyte to Ignatius

The Epistle of Ignatius to Mary at Neapolis, Near Zarbus.

The Epistle of Ignatius to St. John the Apostle

A Second Epistle of Ignatius to St. John.

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Virgin Mary

IGNATIUS的書信可以說是第二代教父､護教士時代的代表作
我想､再加上保羅書信､以及約翰的啟示錄

可見“招牌”應當還是要用城市的名字､也就是會所的立場

仍然､我們的負擔不是要“強迫”諸位接受“一地一會”的
立場 在闡明真理的時候､對現行不正當的情況加以猛烈的攻
擊､是不可避免的(請參見唐崇榮講道集中罵人的段落密我覺
得他罵人罵的比倪李重多了^^) 但是會所是否真的有派人開著
推土機到各教會“拆招牌”﹖恐怕沒有吧﹖^^

如果您站在現有的環境､認為“招牌林立”是正當的､那感謝
主､大家還是弟兄姐妹
如果我站在我們“單一招牌”的教導下､認為招牌應當只有一
塊､大家仍然是弟兄姐妹

(我根據啟示錄七教會並存､認為“分裂”是神容許的一個“既
成事實”､但不代表它合法､也不代表他是神喜悅的)

不過､討論到這個點､該用什麼“招牌”､應當是很清楚的

也請您根據聖經､以及歷史事實､接納(不一定是“認同”^^)聚
會所“一地一會”以城市劃分教會邊界以及以城市名為招牌的
“合法性”

應該可以吧﹖﹗^^

老漁夫